11-21-2022, 01:31 PM
(11-20-2022, 06:29 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(11-20-2022, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(11-20-2022, 12:57 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: I'm not all that left-wing. I firmly believe in law and order without which civil liberties are mere cant. I believe that precedent and protocol are the best guides for making judicial decisions. I trust small-scale enterprise more than I trust either a monopolist, a cartel, or the State as an owner and operator of productive enterprises. I believe that old standards of morality are guides until something other than selfish desire compels one to believe otherwise. I recognize that any significant achievement requires above-average sacrifice as investment or training. I believe in the hierarchy of competence as a rationale for paying those who do their non-trivial jobs well better than those who do not show lesser or less-remarkable competence. I prefer reason to anger and foolishness. I distrust demagogues.
If I disagree with some ostensibly conservative agenda, I certainly believe in old standards of educational merit and in personal conduct (generally including manners) consistent with the tried-and-true. When change is necessary, it usually becomes a new conservative norm. When the avant-garde fails, then tradition is a usually the best fallback.
You're not all that Left Wing? Are you sure about that, ever read/seen one of your own posts? I have and you're pretty much Left Wing. Guess what, Americans are going to have the right to kill Left Wingers. They already do, it just hasn't been made official yet. Biden and his ill-fated ilk are moving America closer to making it official EVERY DAY they're in power. So, what's the chances of a president or an attorney general surviving when about half the country wants them dead and a portion of the country doesn't care if they die? How close are we to that college boy? I'd say we are getting pretty close myself.
We are going to persist in achieving the changes we need to keep our democracy, economy and climate sustainable, regardless of violent threats from your side, and if you guys and your militias pursue a violent course-- if we are smart enough to keep the state on our side--, we will fight and jail you or whatever is necessary to stop you and we will take your guns permanently away from you.
I think Brower's statements are enough to show that he is not a crazy far leftist, but considerate and rational, which is a kind of conservatism. That you overlook this and make violent statements Mr. Classic is evidence that you are an extreme, crazy right-winger.
Thank you, Eric. People who suggest violence as Classic X'er does typically end up on the fringe of society until they give such up (best choice!); otherwise they get blown away or put away when they try to realize their hatred in violent deeds.
The Wolverine Watchmen who plotted to kidnap the Governor of Michigan face long sentences in which they will, among other things, lose their opportunity to use their favorite toys (their guns). People are starting to get long prison terms for the Capitol putsch.
Some things must change; some thing must not change. Divine right of kings, slavery, male dominance, and feudalism all had to disappear. Such a fad as the Sexual Revolution did far more harm than good. Some ideas with huge investments in thought behind them, like Marxism-Leninism, have proved horrible. Basic needs and desires of people remain far more consistent over time than many recognize. Human nature is so complex that we rely heavily upon fiction to most fully understand it.
Classic X'er does not recognize that the word "American" means very different things to different people, and that if someone successfully redefine the word into some narrow and authoritarian meme that hurts people and desires to impose some new version of Manifest Destiny where such is unwelcome, then we can endure not only horroir from the government but defeat in an apocalyptic war. "American" includes people who don't look like me, don't pray as I do, have sex in ways that I wouldn't. and don't have the same culture as I do. Someone took a gun into an LGBT place in Colorado Springs and tried to mow a large number of people down. He killed five. There was recent chatter among American fascists of plans to attack Jewish places of worship.
One thing is clear: little creates more trouble with little benefit than does cruelty. Classic X'er reeks of cruelty in his words/
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.