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Trump will lose.
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(08-26-2016, 07:45 AM)Anthony Wrote: Trump will lose - unless he stops worrying about Gary Johnson and goes turbo-populist in the debates, stressing on how his agenda will put more money into the pockets of the very people most likely to spend it, with the flint-and-steel effect of raising their wages (via the labor shortages sure to be created by cutting off immigration) and cutting their taxes (to zero in millions of individual cases).  By contrast, Hillary favors wage-undercutting "free" trade and continued floodtide immigration, and her ties to Wall Street and its infamous banks, e.g., Goldman Sachs, are well documented.  Plus Hillary voted for that awful bankruptcy "reform" bill in 2005, which has sent tens of thousands of people to prison, including some even for life under "three strikes" laws.

A "respectable" loss does nothing for Trump: As William F. Buckley pointed out in a 1989 column, Michael Dukakis might have gotten 45 per cent of the vote, but George H.W. Bush got 100 per cent of the Presidency (in the 1988 election).

This is an awesome Gish Gallop example; let's break it down -

Raise wages by cutting immigration - yea, that's worked great for Japan.  We're in a demand-starved economy, based, in-part, on an aging population.   Low population growth countries with strict immigration policies are F'd.

Cutting taxes - sure, but it is not just a political position but has become a human instinct that federal spending requires taxation - you can't cut taxes without cutting spending - it is the fundamental Norquiest strategy of how you drown the big, evil government in the bathtub.  Trump's plan is to cut taxes for the uber-rich, particularly the estate taxes for his kids; anyone thinking that won't put further pressure on cutting government entitlement spending has been in a coma for decades.

Free trade - it wasn't NAFTA and it will not be TPP that had or will have an impact on jobs/wages; it was China's entry into the WTO.  As First Lady, HC had to promote what Bubba wanted, but she's on record of having said at the time she wasn't real enthusiastic about China entry - the First Lady has no power except pillow talk.  Also, at the time, most people thought it was good to bring China into world's economy - maybe all the WalMarts might stop them from trying to nuke us.  Besides, those jobs are the ones getting automated or now moving to Vietnam - its now like worrying about our Normandy invasion plans -  not really all that germane to the problems we have today.

Tie to Wall Street - this is just one of the old Gish Gallops, but that's the thing with the Gallop, one just keeps repeating it and adding it to other Gallops to get - Goldman, IRS, Benghazi, Mufasa!, emails, Foundation, unhealthy,.... and on and on.  At least you've shown some restrain.  But really, why not google speaker fees and see who gets what.  Nearly any bozo can get $100K; Palin does and George W Bush gets $150K. BUT nobody comes close to Donald's $1,500,000 per speech -

In Demand: Washington's Highest (and Lowest) Speaking Fees

- if you don't like that, then at least become one of the two Party's nominee for President; Trump has shown it's not that hard; otherwise you're just jealous.

And then there's Chelsea marrying an investment banker, Marc Mezvinsky, who set up a medium size hedge fund with Goldman connections - oh, horrors!  What the 'investigative reporters' don't tell you is the actual 'connection' is  Mezvinsky's two partners were former Goldman employees  - the actual bank never put any money into the fund.  Good thing for GS because the fund went belly-up as a result of investing in Greek bonds - one would think the all-powerful Clintons and Goldman Sachs would have prevented that it they were 'connected.'  

2005 Bankruptcy Bill - as typical with a Gish Gallop key information is left out - that's fundamental to the Gallop.  What's not said is that the law passed the Senate 85-15 - there was no way the Bill wasn't going to become law no matter how Clinton voted.  What she did instead was work hard to change the Bill so as to protect women and children in a host of different ways.  The full picture can be found here -

Something I Heard About Hillary Clinton is Untrue - The Bankruptcy Bill Edition


See, this is why the Gish Gallop is so successful - it takes a little time to look into the reality of each footfall of the Gallop and most people don't bother because, well, they each have their excuses.  What's yours?
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Trump will lose. - by naf140230 - 08-24-2016, 11:31 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-25-2016, 12:15 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Copperfield - 08-25-2016, 12:46 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Eric the Green - 08-25-2016, 12:51 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Anthony '58 - 08-26-2016, 07:45 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by playwrite - 08-26-2016, 10:07 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Eric the Green - 08-26-2016, 11:46 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Classic-Xer - 08-28-2016, 12:08 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by playwrite - 08-30-2016, 11:17 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Odin - 08-26-2016, 01:20 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by playwrite - 08-26-2016, 01:27 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Eric the Green - 08-26-2016, 01:35 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Anthony '58 - 08-26-2016, 03:32 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by playwrite - 08-30-2016, 10:51 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Eric the Green - 08-26-2016, 06:40 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Anthony '58 - 08-27-2016, 05:53 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by playwrite - 08-30-2016, 11:02 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Eric the Green - 08-27-2016, 06:14 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Eric the Green - 08-28-2016, 12:42 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Classic-Xer - 08-28-2016, 04:45 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by playwrite - 08-30-2016, 11:35 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Anthony '58 - 08-28-2016, 10:16 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Eric the Green - 08-29-2016, 04:15 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by playwrite - 08-30-2016, 11:31 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Anthony '58 - 08-29-2016, 07:17 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Eric the Green - 08-29-2016, 04:05 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by pbrower2a - 08-31-2016, 03:15 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Anthony '58 - 09-01-2016, 09:45 AM
RE: Trump will lose. - by pbrower2a - 09-01-2016, 11:08 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Cynic Hero '86 - 09-02-2016, 08:49 PM
RE: Trump will lose. - by Eric the Green - 09-02-2016, 10:12 PM

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