The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(08-29-2020, 12:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: What values do you see going away?

I see the systematic racial violence going away in policing.  I see the ignoring of problems and science going away, with problems like COVID and global warming.  In a 4T you decisively solve problems rather than pretending they do not exist.  Not much can happen with the White House and senate blocking reform, but that seems on path to change.

But I have said this many times, and you have declined to hear many times.  But, you are ideologically blind and simply do not listen to what you would not care to hear.

(08-29-2020, 12:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Do you see the rule of law going away?

No.  Again, and I realize your ideological blindness makes it hard for you to listen to what I have said many times before, the way to handle protest is to give people what they demand rather than use violence to suppress their desires.  Non violence can work with government that listens.  Violence given our hunter gatherer gene pool will tend to surface if the government is not listening.  Many folks would prefer to avoid violence, especially in the Information Age, save as a last resort.  This means we have to be patient a few months more.  Not all believe we have reached the last resort yet.

This is especially true if you are pushing for Democracy, human rights and equality.  I have often heard people mention justice lately, which I traditionally haven't, but it could be added.   If you are striving for racial oppression and a huge division of wealth you get into trouble.

(08-29-2020, 12:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Do you see our values going away?

Many of them.  Racial violent policing.  Small government and reduced domestic spending as a way of keeping America not great.  The special privilege and place of certain elites and races.  The division of wealth.  

These are not the only things rural conservatives care about.  Living in low population areas where many problems do not exist, it is natural for some to value independence over cooperation.  Where there are wide open spaces and low population density, many problems are less visible, and thus people are less inclined to act on them.  

The belief that there are no weapons worth regulating, that the militia is the proper defense for a free state, is apt to stick, even if it contradicts the needs of modern people living in dense areas.  There is room for compromise and in an era of real problem solving it might even happen, but if you need military grade weapons to go target shooting, hunt deer or protect yourself, that seems somewhat excessive.  If the founding fathers thought there existed no weapons that the general public should not wield in an age where natives walked the woods and enemy ships prowled the waters, they had not conceived of nukes.  Times have changed.  Some people haven't.