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I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008
(08-04-2020, 12:34 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I have been debating with folks like Classic, and taking seriously the warnings Dave gives about how dedicated the folks in his area are to the old values.  People tend to form a world view, and not shift it at all lightly.  It takes a really big deal to change it.  A crisis in the 4T is one time when a whole bunch of people do change.  This is because the old values, the old way of thinking, is demonstrated to be no longer viable.  It usually takes a really bad leader dedicated to the old values wildily out of season to cause such a change.  One could look at leaders such as George III, Buchanan, Hoover, Bush 43 and now Trump as playing an important role in turning theory.  (This does not really do enough honor to George III, Buchanan and Hoover.)  In many ways their role is as important as that of grey champion.  One demonstrates how the old values don’t work anymore, and the other demonstrates how the new values do.

If you do not see how Trump is one of the bad leaders, if you can’t recognize how the old values have become untenable, if you cannot even tell the difference between a catalyst and a trigger, you are for some reason keeping your eyes shut, are not looking at reality honestly...

All true but how valid? This is the first time we've had a President who has no compunction using foreign assets and all the propaganda he can get. And it's happening at the very time that the ability to lie with impunity seems virtually unlimited. Those are pretty tall obstacles to overcome. Add in the natural propensity of the Trumpist alliance to believe Trump and his propaganda team above all, and they're armed to the teeth. It's best to assume nothing is set in stone ... not anymore.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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RE: I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008 - by David Horn - 08-04-2020, 07:20 PM

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