06-28-2020, 01:12 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-28-2020, 01:53 AM by Eric the Green.)
(06-27-2020, 01:22 PM)Mikebert Wrote:(06-26-2020, 05:11 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: While it may take four years to win a crisis war, to develop a vaccine takes about a year. At that point there are enough folks wanting to get rid of the old thinking and settle down into the high mentality. Another greater trigger is possible, but I don’t see people sitting around waiting for it. They will want to get back to something like ‘normal’ again.
You seem to have a rather romantic view of these things. You know the problems we face: imperial over extension, high levels of economic inequality, climate change, extreme political polarization, the appearance of extreme cultural movements on both the right and left that could form the basis for a modern version of the religious wars, etc.
These are just going to go away because people "get rid of the old thinking and settle down into the high mentality."?
4th turnings always look very dark. Imagine how Washington felt at Valley Forge, or during the civil war as bodies piled up at Cold Harbor. Or the Nazis about to take over the world and plunge us into a dark age.
I think the problem with this 4T is that the problems seem more distant to people. covid only kills the old and infirm. climate change will happen tomorrow. extremism is out of sight, out of mind. The crisis has not congealed into an imminent threat, and the people have not been aroused sufficiently to meet it. They seem ready to vote for Biden now, but would they throw out Republicans in the senate? They don't sufficiently understand that the Republicans themselves ARE the clear and imminent danger.
I think Bob is saying that the 4T will be over once covid is handled soon, but I am sure the 4T will go on for another 9 years and involve all the other issues. The crisis is on schedule, and started in 2008, but it's far from over and people have to face up to it. So, you are basically correct, even though not quite, from my point of view at least. It won't go past the year 2029. And all problems won't be solved; they never are. It's just how human cycles work. People need a break from war, revolution and crisis, however it appears. But the main battle will be domestic, red vs. blue, just like it was before between the blue and the gray, even if not in just the same ways. The Classic Xers of our country have to be restrained and put out of power. Talk of unity will not be enough.
Judging from the planetary positions, I think in the year 2035 you might be posting here that the 4T is still going on. There may be as much controversy over when the 1T began as there has been over when the 4T began. I'm sure the majority view will be 2028 or 2029. I don't know which year though. I have leaned toward 2028 just because I know that the next 2T will start early like the last one did (probably in 2046), so there has to be enough time for a 1T!