The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(04-14-2020, 06:05 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-14-2020, 12:49 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I figure so too, thanks. It is interesting how you manage to use labels to represent their opposite meaning. Progressives by definition and by policy don't drag their feet; they are pushing for real solutions, in other words, progress. Our current system is conservative neo-liberalism, and its advocates currently stand in the way of solutions. So, we'll see which side ends up no longer functioning. I have predicted that our side will win, as it always does in 4Ts, but whether my prediction or yours ends up being correct, we'll just have to see. I don't claim to be infallible, or that humans necessarily do the right things.

Do you represent progress to me? Where are you in relationship to me. Are you REALLY smarter than me? Do you have a moral advantage over me? Do you REALLY have any advantage over me at all? Oh, don't judge me by writing skills, my writing skills could be improved with some time and effort.  If you REALLY did, you wouldn't be looking to empower government to give you it or provide it for you. That's the reality. Lets see, you blame me for the widening income gap as you and your politicians do whatever it takes to attract, keep, create and add more and more poor people and add more welfare programs. Sounds really stupid to me but the progressives claim to know more than me/us and their half of the country still seems to agree or not care because they believe that they're off the hook financially.

Progress is a collective thing; it applies to the general state of the nation and the world. We were speaking about what "progressive" means. It means progress. 

You are a conservative, which means that you are opposed to "looking to empower government to give... or provide", and you believe anyone who is a liberal must be looking for this. And you and your fellow conservatives of today don't want to be on "the hook financially" for those who are not better "than me" and want to be empowered by the government. This philosophy today is called neo-liberalism, so you are a neo-liberal. It means support for "free enterprise" as the only or principal basis of society. Neo-liberal means classical liberal in economics, legislated and enforced.

I and other progressives disagree. Yes, I blame you guys for the lack of progress in our country. By opposing government action to help those who need it, you elect Republicans who also oppose regulating business against pollution and climate change, who also oppose requiring business to pay fair wages, and who support condemning people to bankruptcy who can't afford health care. You don't realize, as a conservative, that it's not about you or me and whether an individual is better or more self-reliant than another. When we contribute to the state and provide help to those in need, we help ourselves, and provide safety for ourselves against capricious powers, and this and not trickle down economics for "job creaters" is what creates prosperity for all. Dog eat dog social darwinism and survival of the fittest and most well-armed does not provide this. It provides a banana republic.