Global Trumpism Lecture explaining the Turnings

[Eric the Green]

(04-15-2019, 03:21 PM)Snowflake1996 Wrote: Pew data showing Xers consistently to the left of boomers:

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Race-adjusted numbers showing the same thing:

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White millenials are especially to the left of white boomers. 

Also why would you just toss out the Gallup polling data showing that boomers supported the Vietnam war more than Silents and GIs? Is there actual data that suggests otherwise? 

If you’re gonna claim that boomers are liberal because some of them contributed to the anti-war movement despite the bulk of the generation being more supportive than their elders of the war, I can just as easily argue that millenials are a bunch of right wingers because of the alt right online movement which happens to be popular among some millenials. That doesn’t make it true though.

Also if you’re gonna move the entire 1961-1964 cohort to Xers to prove they’re more conservative, you have to also move the very conservative 1943-1945 cohort to the boomers. This maintains consistency with S-H.

The anti-war movement was more popular among boomers than the alt-right among "some" millennials.

You showed some Pew data to support your view, but the Pew images I posted show differently. Most of your graphs show the more-conservative trend of boomers recently, but that's not what I disagree with. Your claim is that Boomers created the neo-liberal regime 40 years ago that resulted in the 40-year trends you mentioned on your list, specifically because boomers are individualists. This I disagree with.

1961 to 1964 cohorts are Xers, and they have a more conservative record, especially in youth. I would agree that the 1943-45 boomer cohort is more conservative as well. They did spawn along with the late Silents the leaders of the sixties generation left and counter-culture movements. But the gap appears to center around the same source of the gap today, as the article I posted above states: between college educated and non-college educated.

You have a point that the non-college educated boomers were not generally liberal, but what I am saying is that the boomers were the ones who sparked the sixties left movements.

The book I quoted showed the boomers were more liberal on almost all issues than their parents, but it didn't cover the war issue.

It's not my fault if the data showing core Boomer voting patterns were more Democratic than Xers until recently have been removed from the web (at least that accessible to google), and I can't find them here. Those Pew graphs were more specific about birthdates, and didn't lump the conservative Jones demographic Boomers in with those who experienced the Awakening.

Your argument (or the author's that you quoted) is that Boomers and their "individualism" created the change from the unemployment-concern era to the inflation-concern era, with all the resulting traits of the two eras listed. I don't agree. Boomers didn't create the Reagan-Bush era. Some Boomers and Silents created the powerful and effective sixties and seventies movements to which corporate neo-liberalism reacted, and which the liberal congress of the mid 1970s was enacting. And it's true the conservative boomers supported this reactionary neo-liberalism too, especially after the hoax about the 1980s boom got going, but so did the conservatives of other generations. 

The traits on your quoted list are the result of the influence of Reaganomics and neo-liberalism, not "Boomers." And it's not just about unemployment vs. inflation. Inflation was created by specific historic events in the late 1960s and mid to late 1970s. And neo-liberalism does not benefit "individuals" or "individualism." It is conformity and greed on the part of the wealthy, and they alone are the beneficiaries. "Individualism" or "freedom" in neo-liberalism was merely a slogan used to deceive the people, and nothing more; and it worked, especially among Silents.

Reaganism arose specifically to stop the reform movements on the 1970s, which were spearheaded by Boomers and Silents like Ralph Nader, and these reactionary movements arose in order to ensure corporate dominance. It was not the creation of a generation, although Generations fans might suppose so. No, it was the creation of a specific economic class.