Gender pay gap

[Kinser79]

(05-25-2016, 08:50 PM)Bronco80 Wrote: Just going to reply a few points here without direct quotes:
--The West is certainly better in progress towards equality among the sexes, but it's not there yet. We may have to agree to disagree on the magnitude of progress.

The problem here is the expectation that men and women in order to be equal have to behave in the same manner, want the same things, etc. The simple fact of the matter is that our species is sex dimorphic. Women have different needs, wants and goals then men and vice versa. As such to expect legislation to counteract millions of years of biological evolution is ludicrous.

Quote:--I'd love to junk the monstrosity of the current health care system in favor of a "Medicare at age 0", or single payer.  But politics is difficult, and it's just not politically feasible at this time, so you gotta take what you can get.

Bullshit. Obama had a majority in the House and enough to break a filibuster in the Senate. He could have gone for "Medicare Part E" as I sometimes call it (E stands for everyone) but he didn't. Not because of politics, but because it was never on the table. The whole time with Establishment Democrats whining that "one should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good".

If the situation was that he didn't have enough votes to obtain cloture (pursuant to Senate Rule 22) that might be a reasonable argument but the fact of the matter is he had both enough votes in the House and the Senate to pass whatever he wanted.

Quote:--Of course women slutshame as well, and it's just as bad as when men do it.  I agree that it can't be legislated, at least with direct law, and I think we agree in comprehensive sex education to solve the problem, which in my opinion is to be open, honest, and respectful of sexuality.

Here's the problem. Men do not slutshame at all. Men might not marry a so-called slut but shaming them is not relevant to male interests. Women on the other hand slutshame all the time. This is of course because of sexual dimorphism.

Comprehensive sex education is absolutely vital to the health of the nation. I've done my bit by providing my son his required sex ed for gays which honestly isn't covered in schools.

Quote:--If there are sex-neutral physical job requirements (i.e., you must be able to lift X number of pounds), that's fine.  Again, it's obvious that there will be biological discrepancies there.  But any sort of social constructs, regardless of which sex it disadvantages, should be questioned.

I'm not seeing much disagreement here. If a man wants to teach kindergarten there should be no social barrier to him doing so. If a woman wants to be a civil engineer so far as I'm aware of there are no social barriers to her. Perhaps the best solution is to abolish all quotas, all affirmative action and so forth and simply allow whomever wants to take whatever job to do so and if that means we have a handful of male elementary school teachers that's fine, and a handful of female civil engineers that is fine too.

As for physical requirements those are the requirements and if women simply cannot meet those requirements we can chalk it up to biology.